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[lojban-beginners] Re: I'm... My name's...



Yes, you are right. Actually, I misunderstood the meaning of "mi'e" considerably, so my views on the subject should be ignored (possibly on other subjects, too!). The meaning of "mi'e .brodas." seems to be closer to "mi du la .brodas." than to "mi se cmene zo .brodas."

mu'o mi'e .sen.

"Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" <MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com> wrote:
Nathaniel:
 > {zo .tim. cmene mi} is the same assertion as {mi'e .tim.}.
 
  Careful.   While they might refer to the same facts, "mi'e" has a second, very important purpose.  It assigns the value of "mi".  It's the first-person equivalent of "doi".  It says, "This is the one who is talking.  >From now on, when I say, "mi", that's who it is".
 
> In terms of emphasis, one might suppose that {zo .tim. cmene mi} is closer to "Tim is my name", rather than "I'm Tim".


> The word {mi'e} implies the subject {mi}, so it cannot be used to give the names of other people. I'm not completely sure whether {mi'e >.djein. .e .tim.} is correct, but I suspect not, since the equivalent {mi se cmene zo .djein. .e .tim.} (I guess the equivalent could be {mi se
> cmene lu .djein. .e .tim. li'u}, which is not grammatically wrong but doesn't mean what you want).

  You could say "mi'e [lu'o] la djein joi la tim".  I'm not sure if the lu'o is necessary or not (it's not from a grammatical standpoint, but I'm not sure how/if the meaning changes with/without it).
 

             --gejyspa


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