Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Duration questions

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

2010/4/1 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Michael Turniansky
> <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>  In the usual pattern,
>>> "<tag> broda" can always be expressed as "broda <tag> ko'a" by
>>> choosing a suitable "ko'a". The tag always has the same effect on
>>> broda, and ko'a only adds more information.
>>
>>  It still does.  And with exactly the same "ko'a" as is currently
>> defined for all PU/ZA/VI, etc.   namely (are you ready?....) "ti".  So
>> how can "ze'u ti" mean "for a long time of this?" and still mean "for
>> a long time"?  Because how big/long a space/duration that "ti"
>> occupies is entirely dependent on context.
>
> Are you saying that if you say "mi ze'u limna", that means "mi limna
> ze'u ti", and "ti" refers to a length of time just a little bit longer
> than whatever length of time you were swimming for (whether that was a
> short or a long time)? Clerly not, so you must be saying that "ti" has
> to be a long "ti" when used with "ze'u ti", and probably not too long
> for "ze'i ti". But this "ti", unlike the "here and now" used as
> reference point for PU and FAhA, seems like a completely ad hoc
> construction, built specifically for the purpose of making "ZEhA
> broda" equivalent to "broda ZEhA ti", with no natural independent
> existence.

  Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying.  All of those things.  I'm
sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, but I am now confident you
understand precisely my position.

          --gejyspa

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