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Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about ordering of predicate-places

Placement seems to be fairly regular.

Destination before origin; as in klama.
Container before contained objects (hinted at by the fact that they're 'container' gismu); as in tanxe, bakfu, dakli.
If there is an agent of the action then it comes early, whatever the action is being performed on comes after; look at cusku, tavla.
People, animals, objects and the like generally come before information unless the information is part of the action or is significantly more important than the people; see dunda, ckule, vecnu.

Just a couple, hopefully others have more.

Hugglesworth.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Christopher Doty <suomichris@gmail.com> wrote:
In trying to really get a handle on the various places of different gismu, I'm wondering what logic, if any, is present in the ordering of the places?  I don't mean this to imply that the ordering isn't logical, I'm just wondering if there are patterns I haven't noticed yet that might be helpful.  E.g.:

For movement gismu, is origin always before destination?
For container gismu, is the thing contained always before the material of the container?
Etc.

Are there patterns like this in the gismu structures that might help in learning and memorizing?

Thanks,

Chris

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