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[lojban-beginners] Re: broda unless lo nu brode



Nevermind, after some more searching I found 9:13 in the CLL:

Contradictory negation involving BAI cmavo is performed by appending ``-nai'' (of selma'o NAI) to the BAI. A common use of modals with ``-nai'' is to deny a causal relationship:

13.1)    mi nelci do mu'inai le nu do nelci mi
    I like you, but not because you like me.

So, there's that.
That leads me to another question though.  One of the examples that the CLL used shows a scenario like {broda bai tu'a mi} which seemed funny to me.  After looking up {tu'a} I see:
 tu'a      LAhE     the bridi implied by                      extracts a concrete sumti from an unspecified abstraction; equivalent to le nu/su'u [sumti] co'e
Now, is the output of {tu'a ko'a} a sumti or a bridi?  Because the two things are not at all the same (BAI takes a sumti, not a bridi!).  It seems that {tu'a} produces a sumti (that's how everyone seems to use it anyawy), but if that's the case then "the bridi implied by" seems very misleading.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I have seen (and often use) {broda va'o lo nu brode} to mean "broda when/if/under-conditions lo nu brode".  But what if I want to say something like:  "go visit john unless he doesn't want you to".  Can I use {BAInai} to mean something like the inverse of {BAI}?  e.g.   {ko vitke la djan va'onai lo nu ri na djica}.

Or if I say {mi viska do sepi'onai lo darctatci} have I just said "I see you without using a telescope", something entirely different, or something non-grammatical?

pe'u ki'e

 mi'e pafcribe

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