Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: [lojban] [lojban-announcements] Request For Help; non-urgent research request to help Lojban.

[Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>]

Oren wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 07:54, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder
> - LLG <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
> 
>>Oren wrote:
>>
>>>pe'u morji ko
>>
>>I request, O Rememberer, you (imperatively) ....
> 
> 
> Ah, I meant { .e'o morji ko }, after giving up on figuring out
> something like "bump/nudge," in the sense of "don't forget about this
> thread."
> 
> I guess I'm uncertain if { ju'i } can be used for this, or if it means
> more like 'listen up/pay attention/watch out'
> And I feel like using { re'i } might be applicable here (as in "ready
> for you to follow up"), but not in general.
> Perhaps a lone { ba'e } is the way to go?
> 
> In chinese, a number of attitudinals have particle counterparts, for
> example 吧 corresponds with { .e'u }. However, one particle that
> Chinese has that lojban doesn't seem to is 'make note/don't forget.'
> In chinese it's 哦/噢 and it's used pretty commonly-- perhaps best
> characterized by caring parent-like expressions; i.e. "You'd better
> bundle up 哦."
> 
> I'd imagine that if we had a "reminder" cmavo, putting a nai on it
> would mean something like "forget about it/never mind," another pretty
> common phrase... how do we say these things in Lojbanistan?

What you are describing would be a discursive of some sort, which is a
free particle that can go almost anywhere like UI, unless it is
important that it be directed to a particular person or audience, in
which case it belongs in COI.  The problem with COI is that it may need
a right-bracket (co'u) when not used with a cmevla, and (as with many
other secondary bridi within a sentence,) any brivla have to have their
sumti attached using be/bei.

The Chinese word is almost certainly a UI counterpart.  COI structures
aren't that common in natlangs, and they are a specialized kind of
discursive.  In theory, they could be open-ended, but we had to limit
the list to keep within practical cmavo-use limits, and we weren't sure
enough that they would be used enough to warrant something to convert a
brivla into a vocative (like fi'o does for the BAI function).

I don't think we have something formally defined to match what you want,
but I can imagine (excluding the experimental cmavo route to add a COI)
that ba'a combined with either e'o, e'u, or pe'u might get the idea
across.  There might be other combinations that would work.  Someone
used to using the attitudinals to express things might be better at this
than I (the rusty one %^).  Maybe e'ose'iba'anaidai (empathetically
self-requesting remembrance, or something like that).

lojbab


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