Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
> I see {djica} in an abstract way as being similar to why we have all 4 of
> ri'a, mu'i, ni'i, and ki'u. The notion that "you want a thing" makes as much
> logical sense as "Sally hit you physically because you pulled her hair" in
> this sense,

Although if you pulled hard enough, the pulling may cause her to fall
on you and hit you involuntarily.

But this is different, because here we are distinguishing two
different types of causes. (And we can use "te jalge" if we don't want
to say whether the reaction was voluntary or not.)

> because whenever you want a thing there is something that you
> want to happen or be true (usually to "have" the thing or something related
> to that).

I don't think the issue here is about "logical sense". Surely you
wouldn't object to a lujvo like "tolcaudji" being defined as:

  ko'a tolcaudji ko'e = ko'a djica lo nu ko'a to'e claxu ko'e

Why would that predicate not make logical sense? The issue is just a
matter of definition, how broad the meaning of "djica" is, and what
kind of things are djica-able.

Whenever you see something, there is something happening to it that
you see. Whenever you talk about something, there is something about
it that you are saying, and so on. That doesn't mean that an object is
not something you can see, or talk about, or want.

> On the other hand you could make the argument that {nelci} should then take
> a {ka} and then you "like <some property(ies)> about <something(s)>", which
> would be kind of cumbersome.

You could make similar arguments for lots of predicates. But why would you?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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