On 25 May 2010 14:08, Ian Johnson
<blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
Also, your comment about {loi}: is that a xorlo concept I didn't know about?
In LFB there is the example:
la bil. ze'u pinxe loi birjewhich is justified by saying that we do not drink "a beer but rather some beer". This is from
http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less6selbritime.html
But then in xorlo {lo birje} isn't "something which really is a beer" anymore (necessarily), but "one or more thing(s) associated with beer considered individually". Is that what's going on?
{lo birje}, as I see it, is one or more individual quantity/quantities of beer. The quantity can be measured as continuous magnitude such as "284 millilitres" or "0.5 pints", but also as non-continuous multitude such as "one" or "ten" when the focus is on the demarcation of the quantity as a countable entity. "0.5 pints beer in a bottle" is most likely both a continuous quantity (0.5 pints) and a countable quantity (one). The inner/outer quantifiers of {lo} deal only with the countable quantity (including {pi PA}), I guess.
So, {pinxe loi birje} to me sounds more like drinking beer from multiple bottles simultaneously (through multiple straws, perhaps).
It's unlikely but not impossible that one bottle of beer be {loi birje}, if the bottle's internal space is divided, resulting in separate quantities of beer.
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