[pc dramatically slaps forehead with heel of right hand and mutters things in non-native languages] I'm so used to thinking that whatever xorxes says that is not totally crazy (from the point of standardized Lojban) is right that I missed it when he said something only slightly off: << Spatial tenses give the location of the event, in this case the event of wearing. >> referring to {ko'a dasni le boxfo vi le birka janco} But {vi le birka janco} is not a spatial tense but a rather a tense marker in its use as a sumti tcita, as though it were BAI. Thus, as xorxes notes later, << pc>{be} is harder, since >officially it makes {le birka janco} occupy a place in the structure of >{boxfo} (a place not usually there, to be sure) and the exact relation of >that place to the rest of the structure is unspecified. It does seem to be >more intimate than {ne}, but not obviously restrictive like {pe}. {be} makes what follows a part of the description, so it has to be restrictive. >> it adds a place to the main selbri, in this case {dasni}, saying where the object2 is worn. So we need not go into the question (enchanting as it is) of where events occur (I don't take back what I said about that, though). We do have a question about distinguishing tense usage from pseudo-BAI usage perhaps, but I suspect that there is rarely any conflict or damagiing confusion (the difference in these cases is largely Gricean, in short).
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