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Re: [lojban] Re: tu'a zo tordu .e zo cmalu



In a message dated 10/2/2002 9:58:11 AM Central Daylight Time, lojban-out@lojban.org writes:

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I don't see how cmalu is more/less comparative/measured.  They both
have an x3 place.  But the one-dimension distinction works fine for
me.

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I was reading off the gismu chart, which has {cmalu} as "compared to standard/norm x3," where {tordu} has "by measurement standard x3."  I think these two notions are intertranslatable -- if different at all .  So, yes, the dimensionality is probably the main thing.

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> Why {tu'a}?

Why not?
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{tu'a} presupposes and environment where an abstraction clause s likely to occur and replaces that abstraction by a sumti from within.  What is the abstaction generating environment here.  This is just curiosity, by the way; not complaint.

xorxes
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tordu: ko'a cmalu ko'e noi ralju pamoi cimde ko'a ku'o ko'i
jarki: ko'a cmalu ko'e noi ralju remoi cimde ko'a ku'o ko'i
cinla: ko'a cmalu ko'e noi ralju romoi cimde ko'a ku'o ko'i

clani: ko'a barda ko'e noi ralju pamoi cimde ko'a ku'o ko'i
ganra: ko'a barda ko'e noi ralju remoi cimde ko'a ku'o ko'i
rotsu: ko'a barda ko'e noi ralju romoi cimde ko'a ku'o ko'i
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Thanks.  I would tend to say {pamoi ralju} but am open to arguments on that  -- different underlying idions, I suspect (and mine probably English and not Lojbanically defensible).
And I would use {cimoi} rather than {romoi} just because I don't want to prejudge issues of possible dimensionality (I can see someone young being small in the temporal dimension, for example).

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