Re: [lojban] Re: Any (was: Nick will be with you shortly)

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 02:04:55PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 01:42:33PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 09:23:55PM -0500, Craig wrote:
> > > > > mi nitcu da. Let's start with that. Do you at least agree that
> > > > > there isn't a specific thing which I mean that I need?
> > > >
> > > > Absolutely not.
> > > >
> > > > mi nitcu da == There exists an X such that I need it.
> > > >
> > > > X could be *VERY* specific.  Say the x3 of nitcu is le nu cikre
> > > > le mi karce poi finti de'i li pa so no ze ...
> > >
> > > Great, five posts in a row all expressing the same idea.
> >
> > Yep.  Just like your 3 or 4 or whatever.
> >
> > > So, you think da is specific, do you? I can't work with you. Carry
> > > on.
> >
> > Straight out of the book:
> >
> > 4.2)  da poi prenu zo'u da viska la djim. There-is-an-X which
> > is-a-person : X sees Jim.
> >         Someone sees Jim.
> >
> > If you think this means the same thing as "any person sees me",
> > including the *BLIND* *ONES*, then you're right, we can't work this
> > out.
> 
> I composed a lengthy, detailed post and deleted it all, in favor of
> instead referring you to post number 18674, which I endorse. I will
> post the relevant section here. Craig wrote it.
> 
> "mi nitcu da. Let's start with that. Do you at least agree that there
> isn't a specific thing which I mean that I need? 

And as I said to Craig, no, I don't.  I agree that there exists some
thing that you need.  The scope of your need is still undefined.

You never answered my question, by the way.  Do you believe that "da poi
prenu zo'u da viska la djim." means that any human, including the blind
ones, can see Jim?

-Robin

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