I just defined {bakykakpa} according to the jvojva, but I'm not sure whether x3 should be the field (source) or the furrow (hole). I think they're both important. Any suggestions? {bakykakpa} sounds like a good word for a tonguetwister - any takers? phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga