Re: [lojban] Beginner's take on the open/closed gismu debate (was: Re: emotions)

[Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>]

--- tk1@despammed.com wrote:
> With regard to the current debate on whether gismu should be open or closed,
> I am not very sure what my position is, but I think a more pernicious
> problem is the tendency for some users to introduce nonce lujvo (e.g. in
> Chapter 2 of "Alice in Wonderland", I see the word "camri'ojvebla" (?!?)).

This is the context:

                    i ua le cmalu krokodilo
                    cu zengau le ky rebla
                  si'u le djacu pe la nilos
                    le ka camri'ojvebla

                  i ua lei jgalu ja'a tinsa
                    je cnici preja panra
                  i lei cmafi'e cu se rinsa
                    le cisma xedja ganra

The reason for that lujvo has more to do with metric and rhyme than
with any semantic preference. Alternative suggestions are welcome!
 
> Perhaps it would be a good idea to require all new lujvo to be defined in
> terms of existing Lojban terms _using_ _Lojban's_ _predicate_ _logic_
> _facilities_ -- among other things, this should improve the `portability' of
> the Lojban language definition to other extant languages.

The definition of Lojban words in Lojban itself is part of the 
jbovlaste project. There are already a few lujvo and gismu with
definitions in Lojban. Also every cmavo already has a proposed 
definition waiting to be commented on.

> The same strategy
> may also be applicable to certain gismu, to ameliorate the bloated gismu
> problem. For instance, something like this may work:
> 
> 	forall x (nanmu(x) <=> (nakni(x) /\ remna(x)))

Yes, although notice that nakni has three places. Probably you'd have 
to say something like:

	forall x (nanmu(x) <=> nakni(x,lo'e remna,????))

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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