Re: [lojban] Re: consolation

[Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>]

--- Martin Bays <mbays@freeshell.org> wrote:
> So what brivla unambiguously corresponds to mo'u, in the way sisti does to
> co'u?

Let's see. 

{mulno} is not problematic when the x1 involves a change of state.
{le nu klama cu mulno} says that the going is complete, i.e. that
the goer has reached the destination. Similarly {le nu binxo
cu mulno} and {le nu zbasu cu mulno} are clear.

The problem appears when x1 is a state. Does {le nu mi gleki 
cu mulno} mean that my happiness is complete, or that I'm no
longer happy? States don't have a temporal completion point,
so a state is complete when it is in some sense saturated,
if I could not be happier then my happiness is complete.
That is what I take {mulno} to mean when x1 is a state.
 
Now, as to {co'u} and {mo'u}.

{sisti} does not quite correspond to {co'u}, because it has 
an x1. The correspondence would be co'a-cfari, co'u-tolcfa

  mi co'a gleki  -- le nu mi gleki cu cfari
  mi co'u gleki  -- le nu mi gleki cu tolcfa

{mulno} does not describe a change, so it corresponds to {ba'o} 
rather than to {mo'u}, for events that involve changes:

  mi ba'o klama le zarci  -- le nu mi klama le zarci cu mulno

{mo'u} corresponds (for change events) to {mulbi'o}:

  mi mo'u klama le zarci  -- le nu mi klama le zarci cu mulbi'o

States don't have a natural ending point, so {mi mo'u gleki}
is not that meaningful. I wouldn't mind interpreting it as
"I achieve complete happiness", though. 

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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