Re: [lojban] two 't' sounds

[Llu'is Batlle i Rossell <viric@vicerveza.homeunix.net>]

On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 09:10:36AM -0500, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote:
> 
> > there are two kinds of "t" (Russian have the two ones). One is like the
> > spanish 't', and the other one is the English 't'. In russian, there are soft
> > vowels, which soften the consonant just before the vowel. For example, "ye"
> > vowel after a "t" ("tye"), is pronounced as a <English t + spanish e>. But if
> > you write "te", it's pronounced as <Spanish t + spanish e>.
> > 
> russian does indeed have two 't' sounds: one hard and one soft (palatalized). 
>  english 't' and spanish 't' are indeed different, but the difference is not 
> the same as the two russian sounds.  and the quality of the russian 'e' sounds 
> does not change in open syllables - it's still the open 'e' sound, which is 
> also the sound i use in "stevo".   :-)     
> [the vowel sound between two palatalized consonants in russian is 'fronted' 
> (i think that's the term).  i.e.  p'at'  ('five') has /a/ as in 'cat', 'man', 
> 'attack'.  if either or both of the consonants is hard, then the vowel remains 
> open as 'a' in the regular russian pronunciation of 'a'.  with 'e', the result 
> is a sound much closer to the closed 'e' of italian (and maybe spanish next 
> to 's'), versus the normal open sound of 'get', 'gem', 'bet'.]
> 
> stevo

I agree about the comment about 'e'... Well, that's one thing I wanted to expose
in the comment you replied to. :)

And about Russian T.... I've just begun studying Russian now. I begun first year
in October. :)
It's hard for me to make soft (palatalized) consonants... and for me, russian
soft 't' sounded like 't' in "tear" or "time".
I see I have a lot to learn yet. :)

Anyway... is that soft 't' accepted as lojban 't'?

-- 
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  l'opció ignorància hauria d'existir: tu què vols ser? Jo, enginyer; jo, metge;
  jo, ignorant: és a dir, vull aprendre a viure però no vull saber-ho tot."
     -- Pau Riba, entrevista a "Paper de Vidre", núm. 5