Re: [lojban] Re: fu'ivla rafsi and r-hyphens

[Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>]

--- Pierre Abbat <phma@webjockey.net> wrote:
> On Monday 01 December 2003 11:17, Jorge "Llambí¡³" wrote:
> > --- Pierre Abbat <phma@webjockey.net> wrote:
> > > In the CCVVCV fu'ivla rafsi proposal, if a CVV rafsi precedes a fu'ivla
> > > rafsi,
> > > is an r-hyphen needed?
> >
> > Can you remind us where the details of the proposal are?
> > I remember that consonant ending rafsi could precede
> > fu'ivla rafsi by inserposing a -y-, but how could vowel
> > ending rafsi precede fu'ivla rafsi? And why wouldn't a CVV
> > rafsi fall off without an r-hyphen?
> 
> My proposal is at 
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=rafsi+fu%27ivla . The CCVVCV 
> proposal is in section 16 of chapter 4 of the Book.

OK, that's where I was looking. It is clear how one forms lujvo 
with CVC-, CVCC- or CCVC- rafsi followed by a fu'ivla rafsi: you 
just insert a -y- to separate. But it doesn't say how you
can form a lujvo with CVV + fu'ivla or CCV + fu'ivla. For example,
{braglauka} is itself a valid fu'ivla, so it cannot be a lujvo 
from {bra}+{glauka}. 

As for your question, {ba'oglauka} breaks up as {ba'o glauka},
so an r-hyphen would always be needed, but {ba'orglauka} is 
itself a valid fu'ivla, so that won't do. Perhaps {ba'oryglauka}
will solve the problem for preceding CVV. For CCV that won't work 
though, because CCVr and CCVn have four-letter rafsi form.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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