Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: precise definition of cmene

[Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>]

--- der Mouse <mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> wrote:
> >> The proposed rule is that cmene not only end but also start with a
> >> glottal stop, thus making any other restrictions unnecessary.
> 
> This seems somewhat broken to me, as it makes it impossible to tell
> where a cmene ends - unless it is forbidden to _contain_ pauses.

cmene are already forbidden to contain pauses, but you
are allowed to string them together as in {la djan.djonz.},
which consists of two cmene. A cmene always ends in a consonant 
followed by a glottal stop, that doesn't change.

> Otherwise, if you hear .<sounds>.<sounds> it's impossible to tell
> whether there's another . that ends the cmene coming up, with the
> second <sounds> being part of the cmene, or whether the cmene is just
> the first .<sounds>., with the second <sounds> being lojban.

You can't know where a cmene starts until you hear its ending,
i.e. a consonant plus a glottal stop. That doesn't change.
With the current rule, you go back from the final consonant
until you find a glottal stop or a "la"/"lai"/"doi" not 
preceded by a consonant, and that's where the cmene starts.
With the proposed rule, you go back from the final consonant
until you find a glottal stop.

If you hear "mi klama le zarci" without a pause, you don't
know yet whether what you are hearing is a name or not. Maybe
it is the cmene miklamalezarcik. The proposed rule does not 
change that.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


    

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