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Re: [lojban] Re: Why capital letters standing in for letterals is a *bad* idea.
At 05:17 PM 4/30/04 -0700, Jorge "Llambías" wrote:
>--- Pierre Abbat <phma@webjockey.net> wrote:
> > There are fixed rules for breaking syllables between vowels, but AFAIK not
> > between consonants.
There are. From the old morphology paper:
>Medial consonant pairs are split into separate syllables by
>convention. They will thus be pronounced as /...vC,Cv.../. It will take
>some time, but try to practice each of these permissible medials with a
>vowel preceding and following, such as abda, abda, abga, etc.
...
>Consonant triples can occur medially in lujvo, in le'avla, and in
>cmene. When they occur in lujvo or brivla, they are pronounced with the
>first consonant appended to the syllable preceding the cluster:
>/...vC,CCv.../. In Lojbanized names, pronunciation and syllabication of
>triples is not constrained.
>
>It can be seen that the first two consonants of a consonant triple in a
>Lojban brivla must be restricted as for permissible medial consonant
>pairs: they must be on the list above. The second pair within the triple
>must be a permissible initial consonant pair, as per the list above. In
>addition, there are a few triples that meet the above conditions but are
>still not pronounceable so as to be easily and uniquely resolvable from
>other combinations. Hence they are also not permitted.
...
>A word has a syllable for each of its vowels (V), diphthongs (vv), and/or
>vocalic (syllabic) consonants. The last syllable in a word is the ultima;
>the next-to-last is the penult, or penultimate syllable. The
>third-from-last is called the antepenult or antepenultimate syllable. The
>point at which two syllables meet is a syllable joint. If a syllable
>joint occurs between two vowels (V'V), it is called a vowel joint. If the
>syllable joint occurs between two consonants (C/C or C/CC), it is called a
>consonant joint. Vowel/consonant joints (V/C) are also
>possible. Unseparated consonants (CC or CCC) are called consonant clusters.
>
>In Lojban words, syllabication is determined by the medial consonants. A
>single medial consonant starts a new syllable (a V/C joint). A consonant
>pair is split into two syllables in Lojban words, although it is
>acceptable to keep a permissible initial together in the second
>syllable. Consonant triples are split as C/CC joints.
>
>It is permissible to vary from these rules in Lojbanized names. For
>example, there are no definitive rules for syllabication of such cmene
>with consonant clusters longer than three, such as the English name
>armstrong, which we will analyze below. The close-comma is used to
>indicate variant syllabication both orthography.
>
>An additional syllable split can be found wherever a V'V disyllable
>occurs; however, diphthongs are never split into multiple syllables.
>
>y, r, and n occasionally occur as audible hyphens (attaching sounds)
>between word components. When these sounds serve as the central vowel of
>a syllable (r and n being pronounced vocalically), the syllable does not
>count in determining stress per the method described below. (This
>principle applies to all vocalic central vowels, including l and m, and is
>not limited to occasions where these five letters (y, l, m, n and r) are
>used as hyphens. On the other hand, r and n hyphens ARE permitted to be
>joined to a prior vowel syllable, in which case they are pronounced as
>consonants and not vocalics; this syllable IS counted in stress
>determination, since the hyphen is not the central vowel. The consonant
>or consonant pair after the hyphen then starts a new syllable. (These
>hyphens will be defined more completely in Section II when lujvo are
>discussed.)
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> Thus {tciuaua} is /tciu,AU,a/,
>
>Is there any way to represent a triphthong, or is {uau} necessarily
>two syllables, either /ua,u/ or /u,au/?
In Lojban, vowel groups pair from the left if possible, unless there is a
close-comma. So "uau" is "ua,u". However, I believe that later decision
when we tried to write the morphology algorithm said that use of
close-commas do not create a minimal pair, so "ua,u" and "u,au" are the
same word.
lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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