Re: [lojban] Re: loglan/lojban masses/sets

[Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>]

--- Rob Speer <rspeer@MIT.EDU> wrote:
> On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 02:06:07PM -0700, Jorge Llamb?as wrote:
> > I would go with {lo finpe cu tolcitnau lo mabru},
> > "fish is older than mammal".
> 
> This is the new XS "lo", right? It's a nice solution, but I'm really
> skeptical that it does not thoroughly defy usage.
> 
> I'm pretty sure there must be a significant number of examples where
> someone has said "lo broda" and could not be referring to Mr. Broda.
> Perhaps the Mr. Broda meaning wouldn't contradict what they said, but
> would certainly be more general than they intended.

I would bet that those examples are much fewer than the examples of
people using lo when they can't possibly mean su'o. Perhaps we should
analyse some definite corpus.

> {la katrin poi mi prami}, who is learning Lojban gradually when she has
> time, feels like she's thoroughly understood the difference between
> {lo'e} and {lo}, and now people want to somehow make them the same word.

Just tell her that {lo} is replaced by {su'o} and {lo'e} by {lo}.
(I'm assuming you are talking of my usage of {lo'e}, of course,
which didn't really have consensus.) I would expect {lo} to be used
in most cases anyway, unless there is a good reason to use another 
gadri or a quantifier. It would be the unmarked default, like using 
no tense when it is not especially needed. So I would not expect 
people to use su'o unless it is important to quantify.

> I know that gadri need a serious overhaul, but before I can support
> anything like XS I'll need this to be explained.

Sure, that's what the BPFK is supposed to be doing.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



	
		
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