Re: [lojban] Re: Projects

[Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>]

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:00:36 -0000, reverendzow <reverendzow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- In lojban@yahoogroups.com, Philip Newton <lojban-out@l...> wrote:
> > It would certainly need to allow people to differentiate
> > between lujvo and tanru; "glibau" is not the same as
> > "glico bangu". (It *is* the same as "gicybau" or "glicybangu",
> > though, by definition, so one notation could conceivably
> > represent either.)
> 
> So if glibau = gicybau = glicybangu, and these are the only ways to
> combine glico bangu into a lujvo,

They're not the only ways (glicybau comes to mind, but that's about
it), but there are finitely many ways to combine two gismu into a
lujvo.

> then I would use some sort of physical connector between the
> two glyphs.  The corresponding tanru would merely be the glyphs
> adjacent, sans connector or cmavo.

So you'd essentially use {zei} everywhere you'd want to make a lujvo.

I had considered the problem as well, and this seemed to be the
obvious solution to combining kanji yet allowing you to distinguish
between tanru and lujvo. It didn't strike me as very pretty, though.

(An alternative might be to have logograms for rafsi, possibly based
on the logograms for the selrafsi - for example, by having little
strokes to show whether it's the CVC, CCV, or CVV rafsi of that
gismu.)


> > > I have come up with ka'eserafsi, although my construction
> > > may be flawed,
> >
> > That falls apart into the three words "ka'e se rafsi". "da ka'e se
> > rafsi" seems to me to mean something like "X can be a word
> > which has rafsi". But only gismu and some cmavo have rafsi;
> > brivla in general do not. (The lujvo composed of "ka'e se rafsi"
> > would be "ka'erselrafsi", FWIW.)
> 
> My intent of a literal translation was "X has the ability to be the
> meaning of a rafsi".  And (I think) I would prefer lo over da in this
> instance.  So "lo ka'erselrafsi", perhaps?

Comparing {lo} and {da} is comparing apples and onions. {lo
ka'erselrafsi} is a sumti: "a word which can have rafsi"; {da
ka'erselrafsi} is a complete bridi and means "X can have rafsi". (If
that's what the lujvo {ka'erselrafsi} means.)

mu'o mi'e .filip.
-- 
Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>