[lojban] personal pro-sumti as masses

["Evgeni Sklyanin" <eks2@york.ac.uk>]

coi rodo

The question I want to ask has arisen recently in a discussion 
between Russian loglanists and lojbanists on a Russian linguistic 
forum 
http://lingvoforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13949

The discussion started from an attempt to translate into lojban the 
frase 
     "Together, we are stronger than apart" 
(in Loglan {Miu forli mio} --- Loglan has two series of personal 
pronouns for masses and individuals). The first attempt was 
       {mi'a tsamau ro mi'a}
which was criticized on the grounds that {mi'a}, as defined in CLL, 
is a mass. The following variants were suggested:
       {mi'a tsamau lu'a mi'a} =? we-and-they-jointly are stronger 
then some of us
or      {mi'a tsamau ro lu'a mi'a} =? we-and-they-jointly are 
stronger than each of us

Questions: 1. Which of the variants do you prefer?
           2. Can we use {me} instead of {lu'a}?
           3. In CLL it is said that {mi'o}, {mi'a}, {ma'a}, and 
{do'o} are masses. How about other personal pro-sumti? Are they also 
masses? For example, {ro lu'a do}=? each of you? If so, is the 
popular greating {coi rodo} correct? May be, {coi ro lu'a do} is 
better?

mu'o mi'e .evgenis.




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