Re: [lojban] Re: Holiday Present from the BPFK: The gadri Proposal Has Been Completed

[Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>]

--- And Rosta wrote:
> > The idea of plural reference
> > is mostly taken from a paper by Thomas McKay, which can be
> > read here: http://philosophy.syr.edu/
> 
> I've given the first 3 chapters a hurried but not perfunctory reading,
> & find none of his arguments against singularism in the least 
> persuasive. Nor do I see why the distinction matters. Are the
> clinching arguments to be found later on? 

Probably not. I don't remember exactly, but the final chapters
are very technical. We didn't adopt his plural quantifiers 
anyway, Lojban quantifiers are still the ordinary singular ones,
but unquantified sumti can have several referents.

The distinction matters if we want to give a general interpretation
to quentifiers. {PA <sumti>} is quantification over the (usually
more than one) referents of <sumti>. For any given sumti. 

>[I have also given a very 
> hurried read through what I could find on the twiki; I didn't
> see anything explanatory there, but maybe I missed it.]
> But at any rate, I could rephrase my questiion: To say "3 of the-
> individuals-among lo vo nanmu", one would need to use a predicate
> meaning "is-an-individual-among" -- is that right? 

{ci lo vo nanmu cu klama}
Exactly three of the referents of "lo vo nanmu" are goers.

There is no need for a predicate there, but {me <sumti>} gives the
predicate "x1 is/are among the referents of <sumti>", so in general
we have:

 PA <sumti> = PA da poi ke'a me <sumti>
              PA x, such that x is among the referents of <sumti>.

> And "ci lo vo
> nanmu" is "three quartets of men"?

No, that would be {ci lo gunma be lo vo nanmu}, or {ci loi vo nanmu}.
The referents of {lo gunma be lo vo nanmu}, or of {loi vo nanmu}
which is the same thing by definition, are quartets of men, so here
with the quantifier we count quartets.  

mu'o mi'e xorxes



		
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