[lojban]

[xah lee <xah@xahlee.org>]

> (i don't think lojban is ever suitable for human communication as
> with natural languages.

> Do you have any basis for that opinion?

essentially that humans are not logical machines.... in any natural
situation communication far outruns any logical concern... employing
body language, context, situational... and perhaps the actual literal
content in speech plays only some 10% of all thins communicated. In
emergency, love affairs, power play, ... any situation... all these
things are happening implicitly, even among you the reader and me right
at this moment. The only exception is say idol chat among linguists
inside sealed ivy towers (as the case of online lojban chat or in this
forum.).

so in natural settings, lojban will be broken as soon as it is used for
real... just as people constant break English. As soon as some usage
becomes standard, people will break it, creating slangs, new words...
etc., vast majority will not even catch on or be recorded. (and one can
see this in online forums) ... and Black people will have their style
of all sorts...diction, intonation, accent... and in the way people
speak or write will also show social caste ... etc.

... sorry for rambling. Will have to write these out into an essay
someday to be cogent.

   Xah



On Jan 26, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote:


On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:24:04PM -0800, xah lee wrote:
>
> Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>> If a minimal Lojban includes tanru, you *must* have one or the
>> other, or you lose expressive power.  As it seems to me that the
>> goas here is to produce a Kernel Language for Lojban (that is,
>> the most minimal set of Lojban from which all the rest of Lojban
>> can be described as just shortcuts), you don't want to lose
>> expressive power.
>
> Robin described my mind...

I'm a genius!  The Human Level AI problem is solved!

*speaking from offstage*

What?  Oh.  Nevermind.

> (i don't think lojban is ever suitable for human communication as
> with natural languages.

Erm.  Those of us on IRC seem to do just fine.

Do you have any basis for that opinion?

-Robin

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