Re: [lojban] [Archivists] skapi vs. pilka?

[Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>]

Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> Mail between xorxes:
>>I think this is pilka more than skapi.
>>skapi is the material, it is the pilka once
>>it has been removed from the animal.
> 
> 
> and I:
> 
> 
>>I disagree.  skapi need not have been removed, and pilka includes
>>fruit rinds and so on.  I'm going to ask the archivists about
>>this.
> 
> 
> I hereby invoke the supplicatory model.

There was indeed overlap between the two words.  pilka is the more 
general term as an outer protective covering (not sure whether it would 
extend to include a snail shell, but I wouldn't rule it out).  It is 
probably still pilka if you peel the rind off a fruit or skin an animal, 
but I could understand if someone picky wanted to call it ba'o pilka.

skapi is specifically limited to the organ/material from an animal 
source and was distinguished as a separate word for use in compounds 
pertaining to fabric/clothing materials and such like after removal from 
the source, but it doesn't rule out the animal still wearing its skin. 
But a human wearing only lo skapi is not by implication naked, whereas 
if he were wearing only lo pilka, that is what I would assume.  A cow on 
the other hand could be wearing either with varying connotations.

lojbab



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