The links to: http://www.lojban.org/files/reference-grammar/refgr.html and http://ptolemy.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/brochure/book1.html are broken. (the mailing lists and intro file are accessed via http://www.lojban.org/lsg2 ) I may have missed something but I think the mailing list entry point should be more prominent on the lojban home page. John Leuner