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Re: [lojban] Re: Something Wittgenstein wrote ...



John E Clifford wrote:
--- robin <robin@bilkent.edu.tr> wrote:
[snip]

If I remember rightly, the main point
Wittgenstein was making that death isn't a timeless state; it is not a state (or
even an event) at all. We only have a concept of death because of the way
language works, not because there is any state we can point to and
call "death".



A tad opaque, as I said. But that is what I was saying in my opaque way, more or less. In Lojban, that someone is dead, lo nu ko'a morsi, counts as an event and lasts as long at least as this {ko'a} has a referent available for conversation (the domain of conversation being at least somewhat cumulative temporally). Further, that event is a state since it does not change in any relevant way throughout its duration. But it is a state of the world, not a state of ko'a, who participates in no states. I suspect that the difference here is marked in Lojban by the difference between {nu} and {li'i}: no da li'i ko'a morsi kei ko'a. And, of course, by the difference between a particpant and an observer (glossed over for {li'i}).

Nicely put.

robin.tr