Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban for Beginners lesson 12 answers

["Aleksej R. Serdyukov" <deletesoftware@yandex.ru>]

Opi Lauma wrote:
> I know how Moscow and St. Petersburg sound in Russian (some think
> like âmasKVAâ and âsank pietierBURKâ). And I think that correct
> Lojban names are {la masKVA} and {la sank pietierBURK}, respectively.

I'd rather write {pitirburk} or at least {pitierburk}, because the yot 
is too much, IMHO.

> There is an official transliteration system for transforming names
> written in Cyrillic into Latin symbols. According to this system
> Moscow is Moskva. However, the second âoâ sounds not like Lojbanâs

Transliterations (nothing to do with transcription) don't matter, 
especially "official" ones (there are many of them, some use 
apostrophes, some quotes (for the soft and hard signs) and some use "jj" 
for "Ð"! Some people have problems in airports because of the 
apostrophes and quotes in their names.

> âoâ (since in Russian there is no one to one correspondence between
> letters and sounds). The âoâ in Moskva sound similar with Lojbanâs
> âaâ (in English âbutâ). Strictly speaking it sounds a little bit
> different, but anyway it is closer to âaâ rather to Lojbanâs schwa
> âyâ (like in English America).

Hahaha, the Cyrillic transcription used for Russian (somewhere ... why 
don't they try IPA? it would be something like ÐÑ-ÑÐÐÐ in the mentioned 
transcription) made me think of {la m,skuas.}, as a syllabic "m" seems 
to make the sound.

> Moreover, Russian âeâ is definitely not  Lojbanâs âeâ. It is why I
> have replaced âeâ by âieâ in St. Petersburg.

Hm, {la lojban mo.} gives [É] and [e] for the "e". The latter is the one 
I'd use.



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