Re: [lojban] Re: the meter is a unit of length

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On 8/5/05, John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I guess that I don't see a property of having a
> value here.  We have a function {le ni ce'u
> blanu} which gives different values for the same
> argument at different times (i.e., the function
> -- or the argument -- needs a place for time),
> that is all that is claimed (and, of course, it
> is not literally claimed to be about different
> times; it might as well be about different places
> on the picture, as might the sentence about being
> blue). I am puzzled by what {cenba3} might be; it
> looks like another reading on another scale.

I take it that cenba3 is the amount of change, which, 
unlike cenba2, is a value. For example:

  le mi daski cu cenba lo ka ce'u vasru lo rupnu be 
  li xo kau kei li re no
  My pocket changes in how many dollars it contains 
  by amount 20.

That doesn't say whether it increased or decreased, 
so probably zenba/jdika would be more common in 
a case like that. {cenba} would be used when there 
is no intrinsic order of values.
 
...
> See above: it seems to be just the difference
> between the value {ni x blanu}(for a particular
> identified x) and the function {ni ce'u blanu},
> with the same meaning of {ni}

That's the difference, yes, but the meaning of {ni}
is not the same when going from a value to a function.

mu'o mi'e xorxes