Re: [lojban] Re: Wheels in my Head

[Brandon Wirick <brandon@yrick.com>]

I've been using braces to indicate Lojban text within English text. I
wasn't aware of the variety of syllable definitions, so thank you. My
representation would obviously not work with arbitrarily long
syllables. It can only handle 65536 syllables, in fact, and many of
those will probably not be valid Lojban syllables. Now that you
mention it, stage 3 {fu'ivla} are giving me a bit of trouble, so
here's version 2.0 of my representation, where nybble #2 uses an
emphasis flag :

0:  - bp dt gk jc vf zs x l m n r
1:  . , ' b d g j v z p t k c f s x
2:  - . i u l m n r   - . I U L M N R
3:  - a e i o u y l m n r ai au ei oi

Question: are {bakrto} and {bakyrto} the same word in any system?

On 9/15/05, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.hn.org> wrote:
> On Thursday 15 September 2005 03:34, Brandon Wirick wrote:
> > I really am working on the program to visualize 7SD characters in a
> > Lojban context; don't anyone think I've put that on the back-burner. I
> > have, however, come up with yet another fun and mostly useless idea. I
> > would like to devise a ray to represent every conceivable Lojban
> > syllable in exactly two bytes apiece (I'm counting a consonant
> > followed by a {denpa bu} as a syllable). The way I've broken it up in
> > my mind is into four nybbles (four-bit numbers for those non-computer
> > people).
> >
> > Nybble #1 would include the voiced and unvoiced consonant pairs (not
> > {ly}, {my}, {ny}, or {ry}, and I don't know about {xy}) and a null
> > sound.
> >
> > Nybble #0 would precede Nybble #1 with any consonant or a null sound
> > (maybe a {slaka bu}, but Nybble #1 would set the voice, so Nybble #0
> > in both {tca} and {dja} would be the same (a sort of {ty}-{dy} pair)
> > but Nybble #1 would differ.
> >
> > Nybble #2 could include the consonants {ly}, {my}, {ny}, or {ry}; the
> > vowels {ibu} or {ubu}; any vowel followed by {y'y}; a {denpa bu}; or a
> > null sound
> >
> > Nybble #3 could include any vowel, lowercase or capitalized, or one of
> > the diphthongs {ai}, {au}, {ei}, or {oi}.
> >
> > Some Nybble combinations would not be allowed, like those that result
> > in double letters, but the point is to cover the set of Lojban
> > syllables. This system is not perfect, so I'm open to suggestions, but
> > it probably won't serve any practical purpose, so feel free to ignore
> > this if you don't care.
> 
> I'm a bit confused by your notation, as you seem to be using {...} for both a
> letter (or string of letters) and the Lojban name of a letter.
> 
> What definition of the set of Lojban syllables are you using? There's the
> pre-BPFK one, which isn't well specified; the one by xorxes; and mine, which
> I haven't put on the wiki yet. The pre-BPFK one allows arbitrarily long
> syllables, such as {ststststststa}; the other two don't. Both x's and mine
> (IIRR; I haven't looked at his lately) have syllables consisting of a
> consonant followed by 'r', 'n', 'l', or 'm'; these (except for 'm') are used
> in type-3 fu'ivla such as {sma,cr,ko,bai,u} "guinea pig". Consonantal
> syllables are not counted for stress, so {bakrto} (some edible mammal
> mentioned in the Bible) is stressed on {ba}. Syllables can end in consonants,
> such as {bif,mlo} "windmill", and I allow a syllable to end in 'r', 'n', 'l',
> or 'm' followed by a consonant, such as {tark,sa,ko} "dandelion". I also
> allow an initial cluster followed by any diphthong, such as {tcio,te}
> "annatto", which xorxes doesn't.
> 
> phma
> 
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