Re: [lojban] Re: xorlo podcast

[John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>]

--- Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 9/27/05, John E Clifford
> <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > --- Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Here is an example of something that was
> very
> > > hard to say before
> > > and now is easy:
> > >
> > >   mi terpa ci da no'u lo jukni .e lo gerku
> .e
> > > lo nu le tsani cu farlu
> > >   le stedu be mi
> > >   "I fear exactly three things: spiders,
> dogs
> > > and that the sky fall
> > >   on my head."
> > for help.
> >
> > That way of putting it suggests that just
> this
> > would not work to this purpose in prelo.
> 
> It wouldn't. With prelo (i.e. with {lo} = {su'o
> lo}) this would
> say: "I fear exactly three things: at least one
> spider, at
> least one dog and at least one event of the sky
> falling on
> my head."

You are quite right: exactly those words in that
order will not work, because prelo requires
{tu'a} with {terpa}, but this is always the
difference, so I didn't feel the need to mention
it. Boring automatic changes give:
mi terpa ci da no'u tu'a lo jukni .e tu'a lo
gerku .e  lo nu le tsani cu farlu le stedu be mi
(I assume {tu'a} is not needed with {lo nu}
although I can imagine a case ...).
The identification of prelo {lo} with {su'o lo}
is not quite accurate. {ro lo} would work better,
though there exceptions even to that, I think.  

> That's a different meaning, which can be done
> (this
> hasn't changed) as:
> {mi terpa ci da no'u su'o jukni .e su'o gerku
> .e
> su'o nu le tsani cu farlu le stedu be mi}

This sentence is strictly solecistic in prelo,
since it lacks the {tu'a}s as noted above.  It
does have an interpetation, of couse, name that I
fear some particular spiders and some particular
dogs.  That is, omission of {tu'a} means (by
convention) that fronting is permitted as a valid
move.  I do not think thiis was intended in
wither case.