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Re: [lojban] Use and abuse of sets
At 11:29 AM 03/04/2000 -0800, Jorge Llambias wrote:
le se xadni be la lojbab cusku di'e
zo'o
>How about pimu le ci djacu?
I don't know, do you? Do we even have a convention for this?
Half of each?
Nope, the outer quantifier is selection from the inner quantifier; no
special rule for a fractional quantifier. So this is half of one water.
>pimu le'i ci djacu is clear because we can't
>talk of half-members of sets.
Half a set is clear? Especially a set with an odd
number of members? What is it? It is not another
set, I hope.
OK, I should have used an even numbered set. In such a case it is
clear. I agree that half is undefined for odd integer sets.
>Fine, and to the extent that you are considered an authority based on your
>extensive usage, that could be seen as good or bad (Welcome to the dilemma
>of Lojban Central, Jorge! Glad you could join us %^)
No dilemma for me! I don't expect anyone to take my words
based on authority,
Sorry, but And has already piped up and said that he takes your
pronouncements as authority based on your presumed level of skill. You're
stuck now %^)
I sure hope they will be persuaded or
fail to be persuaded by my arguments,
That assumes that they understand them %^)
and not be influenced
by any perceived authority that I certainly don't have.
I much rather have my views challenged so that I can modify
them when errors or inconsistencies are pointed out.
And I do often change them, just compare what I'm saying
now to what I said two or three years ago.
I think I'll pass.
I don't take what you say as authoritative, so why
should I expect what I say to be taken as such? :)
Because most of Lojbanistan seems to look for authority, or there never
would have been such a concept as "Lojban Central".
>I guess I prefer the usage without the arguments unless someone fails to
>understand (which of course means that someone has to be trying to
>understand, which remains a problem with much Lojban writing today).
And yet you spend much more time on the arguments than on the
usage.
That leaves the field open to you for usage, doesn't it?
I wish I had time to be more than a spectator, but especially when we get
days like the last two, I despair this will ever happen.
lojbab
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