Re: [lojban] Re: Get Much Ca$h !

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

> >The cmavo list is not always very precise. go'e repeats the
> >bridi only when used as the whole bridi, but go'e itself
> >is a brivla. Any brivla is a whole bridi when used by itself.
>
> I disagree with you. go'e and go'i repeat the whole bridi - the brivla AND
> the specific sumti that were associated with that brivla in the referenced
> bridi.

I don't disagree with you. But {go'e} itself is a brivla, not
always used as a bridi. It is a brivla that takes its meaning
from a bridi. It is grammatically a brivla. It is used as a brivla.
{le go'e} makes reference to the x1 of {go'e}, not to a bridi.
That is what the question was about. You must use {le du'u go'e}
to refer to the bridi, you can't use {le go'e} to refer to
the bridi.

> Thus le go'e or le go'i are referring to the x1 of that particular
> bridi, just as le klama refers to the x1 of some presumed bridi
> relationship based on klama.

Exactly what I said. We agree.

> Remember that the original use of the word is in answer to a yes/no
> question, which repeats the bridi asked about in that question.

When did I forget that?

> Likewise
> the pro-bridi usage "go'i ra'o" would be meaningless if go'i did not
> implicitly include some specific sumti values to be preserved by the ra'o.

I never said it didn't. {go'i} is a brivla with all those
meanings and implicit arguments.

> go'i has the grammar of a brivla, but unlike most brivla, it comes with
> specific values implied by default for all of its sumti, specifically all
> of those of the referenced bridi.

Exactly. So the cmavo list is not very precise in labeling it
as a bridi. We agree, really.

co'o mi'e xorxes


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