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Re: [lojban] Cultural fu'ivla
At 09:07 AM 12/18/2000 -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>Is this stuff still considered baselined? In which case Pierre's list
>will need transforming into this format. If it's not considered to be
>current Lojban any more I'd like to know, as I was going to be building
>support for this into the next release of jbofi'e (in terms of the
>algorithm to split lujvo into rafsi at least). Clearly this might save
>me some work :-)
According to 4.16, it's not baselined, it's an experimental proposal. I don't
agree with reserving CCVVCV for cultural fu'ivla, or making all cultural
fu'ivla be of that form, since most of them don't fit into that form. I think
it should be just another fu'ivla tarmi.
The only sense in which it is "reserved" is that at the time the book was
written, we were willing to consider the coining of cultural fu'ivla in
that form and if the combining form with 'y' proved unambiguous (something
that has never been tested), lujvo using that combining form would be
legitimate - thus the fu'ivla form is not reserved, only the combining
rafsi for words in that form are limited to culture words in that form. If
the combining form was not unambiguous, then the fu'ivla would still be
valid on their own, though of course not necessarily the ideal form for
some words - they just could not be used in lujvo.
As to rafsi fu'ivla, I don't see why a fu'ivla couldn't fall at the end of a
lujvo, as long as the rafsi preceding it forces the insertion of a 'y' by the
rules. If you can come up with a counterexample, please let me know; maybe it
means that the rules for fu'ivla should be restricted.
1) Any change to the rules for fu'ivla would be a baseline change.
2) By definition, fu'ivla space is all valid brivla space that is not
otherwise invalidated by the more important gismu and lujvo forms. Being
defined only by exception, there really aren't any "rules" for fu'ivla that
can be changed.
3) Similarly, with an infinite number of fu'ivla forms, it would probably
be impossible to test ALL fu'ivla forms to ensure that they could occur at
the end of a lujvo (there might be a mathematical model that would allow
such a proof, but the math is far beyond my level).
lojbab
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