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Re: [lojban] Objective Reality & krici (was: Random lojban questions/annoyanc...



In a message dated 3/21/2001 3:41:38 PM Central Standard Time,
xod@sixgirls.org writes:



I never claimed "good evidence", or "evidence you and I
would agree to". A great many beliefs are based on evidence that I do not
approve of. But they ARE based on something that is taken as evidence by
the believers. And that's why krici is a meaningless term. Its true
meaning is "djuno where x4 is controversial".




Nope.  Its true meaning is "being in that certain cognitive state with
respect to a certain proposition"  Evidence, epistemology,  and whatever else
you want to throw in of a justificatory sort are simply irrelevant to whether
or not a person believes that p; all that counts is the person's
psychological state and p's role in it.  It may be that the personalso knows
that p, which is to say, that in addition to believing that p (being inthe
appropriate psychological state), he also believes a number of other things
which are within veldjuno and which collectively support p, and believes that
they do, and, further, p is true in veldjuno.  Notice that belief cannot be
dropped out of this description in favor of knowing-minus, but rather is
needed in its pure sense to get to knowledge.  None of this, even that the
beliefs are in a particular epistemology has any place in "believes."  We
could (with some minor problems) get rid of {djuno}, but not of {krici}.
[BTW {krici} is not a meaningless term if it has a “true meaning.”  That
“true meaning” is just away that it is used (quite justifiably as noted
earlier) in certain rhetorical moves.]