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Re: [lojban] The "system" of attitudinals



In a message dated 6/15/2001 3:11:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
rob@twcny.rr.com writes:


Please clarify - why is a'o still considered inadequate? Because people want
to
use it in two ways?

At the beginning of a sentence, a'o is defined by the Book to be a
propositional attitude indicator.
In its own sentence, a'o hopes for something unspecified and so can be used
to
express a simple feeling of hope.

What's the problem?


Well, the "at the beginning of a sentence" part is not in the Book; there it
is propositional attitude indicator wherever it occurs.  And, the Book is
less than pelucid on what a propositional attitude indicator does: the
examples given differ on almost all the crucial features.
The Book makes it relatively clear that {a'o mi klama le zarci} (and {mi a'o
klama le zarci} and {mi klama a'o le zarci} and {mi klama le zarci a'o})
expresses a hope that I go to the store (with slightly different emphases in
the various cases, answering to different possibilities in context, we
assume).  It does not assert that I go to the store; indeed, it presupposes
that I do not yet know whether I go to the store.
At least some Lojbanist have used this sentence or at least some of the
variants to both assert that I do go to the store and to express a hope for
some unspecified event possibly consequent upon that trip -- or even just a
conswquent feeling of hopefulness, without a discernible object.
Whether or not this latter reading is legitmate now, it clearly represents a
real situation and one which should, therefore, have a Lojban _expression_.  It
does not under the present rules.  It has not yet been clearly dealt with by
the reform suggestions.  That is the problem.