Re: [lojban] The "system" of attitudinals

[pycyn@aol.com]

In a message dated 6/15/2001 7:24:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:

>At least some Lojbanist have used this sentence or at least some of the
>variants to both assert that I do go to the store and to express a hope for
>some unspecified event possibly consequent upon that trip -- or even just a
>conswquent feeling of hopefulness, without a discernible object.

I have only seen claims that such use would be possible, I haven't
seen anyone actually using it like that, or misunderstanding the
other (standard?) use.

John Cowan on July 8
<That is the "propositional attitude" sense of "a'o".  But it too
has a "pure emotion sense" as well:  "a'o mi cevni le du'u
la cevni cu zasti" probably does not mean "I hope that I believe
that God exists," but rather " believe that God exists
(which gives me hope).">

I think there are other cases from John and Lojbab.

<In fact, nobody has explicitly mentioned yet another possibility
for {a'o}: Not "I hope I go to the store", not "I go to the store,
which gives me hope", but "I go to the store with hope".
Of course, this one only works when {mi} is part of the bridi,
and preferrably as an agent, which is a strong recommendation
against its use.>

Yes, no one has.  Can you explain further, since I am not sure just what is
involved.