Re: [lojban] Proper 21CII

[pycyn@aol.com]

Thanks for the guidance.

In a message dated 6/27/2001 1:22:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:

la pycyn cusku di'e

>Psalm 146
>ko si'asku la zast vau doi le mi pruxi .i mi ba si'asku la zast. ca'o le nu
>mi jmive .i mi ba si'arsa'a lemi cevni ku ca'o le nu mi zasti

I would use {ze'a le nu mi jmive}, {ze'a le nu mi zasti}:
The full duration of the main event is given by the event of my
living. Isn't {ai} better than {ba} here?

Maybe even {ze'e}?  I am feeling my way with some of these cmavo still.  I
argued about {ai} v {ba}: it is intent here, but the simple future is
stronger.  The Hebrew is no help, so far a I can see (nor is the English, of
course).

>.i ko na lacri lo turni a lo verba be lo remna iki'ubo le se liste na ka'e
>sidju

I don't really see any list there, I would prefer {le se go'i}, but "they"
is hard to do in Lojban. Also, the version in Spanish
that I have has {no'u} instead of {a}.

I been having this trouble with "they," does {le se go'i} really work? I
think this needs some systematic device for this problem, but can't find it.  
Could we really have left it out? {no'u} is a real possibility in the Hebrew
apparently, but I like the stress that the {a} gives.

>.i gleki fa le se sidju be le cevni be la iakob. ku va'i le pacna be tu'a
>la
>zast. po'u le ke'a cevni

It should be {no'u}, or {no'uva'i} instead of a single {va'i}, or
le pacna goes as the x2 of gleki. And I don't understand that
{ke'a}, maybe {vo'a}?

Worse: as written, it goes as parallel to {le cevni}, if I've counted
parentheses right this time,  so it needs {ku ku} (didn't we once have a
"super ku," to lop off back to the selbri level?

>zi'e poi zatrgau lei terdi e lei tsani e lei xamsi e le xabju zi'e poi
>roroi bandu le se nupre

{zatygau}. Also, how about {zukte le se nupre}?

"shamar" seems to have more the idea of protecting, defending, etc. than
simply doing it  -- but doing what is promises is also involved.  I need to
work on a good  lujvo here.
Thanks again.