Re: [lojban] Re: ka + makau (was: ce'u (was: vliju'a

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

la xod cusku di'e

> Going back a moment, "le jei broda" = a truth value; a real in [0, 1]. The
> ANSWER to the question "xu broda" is the same.

Not really, at least not the full answer. The full answer to
{xu broda} is either {ja'a broda} or {na broda}, or if you like
something in between: {ja'aru'e broda}, etc. The full answer
is never a real in [0,1], and {le du'u xukau ...} makes reference
to the full answer, a full bridi.

> Jorge, I can understand your recent explanatory post better if I stop
> thinking of "makau" and use "ko'a" in its place.

And yet it is not the same thing. In {la meris djuno le du'u ko'a
klama le zarci} le listener is expected to identify ko'a, either
because it was previously assigned or from context.

> Really, we are not
> talking about questions so much as we are talking about algebraic
> variables. And, since du'u + Qkau doesn't turn the abstraction into the
> answer to the question, I really don't see why they are called "indirect
> questions" at all. They are indirect statements; statements with variables
> that are assumed to have known values that the speaker doesn't know or
> isn't revealing.

Not necessarily _known_ values. Many questions don't have known
answers.

> mi djuno le du'u makau pu zarci le klama

i u'i xu go'i i lo klama cu rupnu ma

> Unless du'u + Qkau really means 'the answer to the question posed by
> removing "kau"', why does the above statement imply that I know WHO went
> to the store? I could know simply that somebody did go to the store.

Even in that case {da klama le zarci} is a possible answer to {ma
klama le zarci}, but makau makes reference to the contextually
relevant answer.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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