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Re: [lojban] A or B, depending on C, and related issues



In a message dated 8/9/2001 9:19:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


>The best simplification I could find in a dash was ~(Q&R) &(P => QvR) ,
>which, while shorter, is markedly less informative when talking about
>depndencies.

Actually, that reduction fails when P, Q, and R are false.
(It gives true, should give false.)

Yup!  One problem with working at a dash when you have lousy handwriting
(never mind P anQ, it's T and F that are the problems).

<The actual reduction, funnily enough, turns out to be (Q xor R),
independent of P!

What's more, this other one:

[(P iff Q) and (not P iff R)] xor [(not P iff Q) and (P iff R)]

also reduces to the same thing: (Q xor R).

This makes sense, because the truth value of "Q or R depending on P"
cannot depend on the truth value of P, since we are not specifying
what the dependency is. This fits in very nicely with the Pkau
interpretation, which might be:

   Pkau => (Q xor R)>

I would have taken the reduction as evidence that this was a totally
inappropriate rendition of "Q or R depending on P" since it says that Qor R
regardless of P (or anything else).  But then, I don't understand what all of
this has to do with indirect questions exactly -- or with whatever keeps
being called indirect questions while being neither (unless "indirect" means
"vague").  

I suppose "{xn} depends on {ym}" means something like "there is a set of true
conditionals (not necessarily truth-functional, if that bothers people)whose
antecedents are each a member of {ym} and whose consequents are membersof
{xn}" and then some details about completeness and exclusiveness -- which
might vary from case to case, as might the details of how the conditionals
run.  The vaguer terms ("what's for dinner," "what's in the icebox," "what
the weather is") just cover these lack of details, while guaranteeing the
gneral (though possibly vacuous) claim.
The only connection I can see between all this and questions is the
possibility that
expressions like "what's in the icebox" stands for a set of answers (claims
in this case, not propositions).