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Re: [lojban] Re: ka + makau (was: ce'u (was: vliju'a



In a message dated 8/9/2001 8:03:22 PM Central Daylight Time, cowan@ccil.org
writes:


If I know that the planet Venus has a surface temperature of 900 deg. C,
then I know that the planet Freya has a surface temp. of 900 C,
even if I do not know that Freya = Venus.

In this hypo, I would be prepared to affirm "I do not know that
the planet Freya has a surface temp. etc. etc.", but I would be
in error.


I was sure that you were on the other side of this in the olden days of
Orcutt the master spy, but, in any case, you now seem to be on the wrong
side.  Usual argument: knowledge is intensional, so works only with
intensional identities, Freya=Venus is only extensional if not known, hence
replacement does not go through.  As soon as the knower comes to know the
identity and make use of it, then he knows about Freya.  But not until.