Re: du'u in lieu of ka (was: Re: [lojban] Toward a {ce'u} record

[Invent Yourself <xod@sixgirls.org>]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, And Rosta wrote:

> Xod:
> #On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, And Rosta wrote:
> #> I agree, but there is a remedy within the baseline, so long as zo'e
> #> cannot be read as a ce'u (and if it can, then existing usage of
> #> du'u is unspeakably ambiguous): And The Cowan has averred
> #> that construing zo'e as ce'u is as heinous as construing it as
> #> noda.
> #>
> #> Since {du'u} doesn't guarantee the presence of a covert or overt
> #> ce'u, using {du'u ... ce'u} instead of {ka ... (ce'u)} forces all ce'u
> #> to be overt. Thus those of us who are rightly worried about the
> #> horrible vagueness/ambiguity of allowing covert ce'u within
> #> ka bridi can simply not use ka and use du'u instead.
> #
> #All around, this is the simplest and most elegant solution: ditch ka, use
> #du'u and some number of ce'u. But what about the kam- rafsi? It's too
> #useful to abandon.




This is not violating the baselined grammar, merely doing things
differently within it. It's a stylistic difference.



> So "kambroda" means "broda-hood"? Why abandon something that is
> useful and not flawed? Use "kam-" but not "ka".



kambroda, as opposed to kamselbroda!



> BTW, I noticed after writing my message above that there seems
> to be a conflict between the following ruloids:
>
> Ruloid 1.
> Zo'e fills any empty place.
> [I *think* this is somewhere in Woldy.]
>
> Ruloid 2.
> Zo'e cannot be construed as ce'u.
> [Thus spake The Cowan, recently.]
>
> Ruloid 3.
> Ce'u can be elided.



Yet another strike against Ghosts of Ce'u. How many more do we need?




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