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Re: [lojban] platonism, organicism and hardlinerism
At 05:53 PM 8/21/01 +0100, And Rosta wrote:
Now if the 'baseline' is understood as meaning the official
specification of the rules that to a Platonist constitute the
language, then you characterize my position exactly. But to
some people the baseline also defines norms or parameters of
conformant behaviour; i.e. it defines whether usage counts as
proper Lojban. Now here we get a different set of ideologies:
(a) Xod and Xorxes who don't care whether the usage of the
community at large conforms to the baseline, and (b) Lojbab
and Belknap-Koenig who do care, and do want usage to conform
to the baseline.
Lojbab cares whether the community at large conforms to the baseline, but
is firmly agnostic about what he wants regarding same. Lojbab is mainly
concerned that official pronouncements and official usage conform to the
baseline. What people do unofficially is communicate, and communication is
never "wrong".
lojbab
Lojbab and Belknap-Koenig differ on whether
the baseline should be alterable or not. I, on the other hand,
care about usage only if the abstract rules that constitute
the language are going to be derived inductively from usage --
That will be the post-baseline process. But it is only a semi-reality now
when we make decisions between alternatives in underspecified areas of the
language.
lojbab
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