RE: [lojban] The Pleasures of goi (was: zipf computations & experimental cmavo

["Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" <lojbab@lojban.org>]

At 02:14 PM 10/1/01 +0100, And Rosta wrote:
> #ii) is not something we designed
> #ko'a to be used for, if I understand what you mean by it. If I wanted to
> #assign a cmene, I would not use goi, but rather ko'a noi se cmene [name]
> #(or ne me'e [name])
>
> I think in this respect you're atypical of lojbanists. My sense is that 
> there's
> nothing unorthodoz about using goi to assign a reference to a name, e.g.
> "le nanmu goi la djoblogz".

I haven't ever seen that, but then I have to admit I read little Lojban 
text these days.

> And whether or not I'm right about that, there is a distinction between
> *claiming* (i.e. truly or falsely), using noi and ne, that X is called Y, and
> *assigning* referent X to name Y (i.e. performatively decreeing that
> X is called Y).

There is a distinction, BUT wrt names, the fact that the place structure of 
cmene includes a place for those who use the name for the referent somewhat 
obviates the difference. The difference between assigning a name to 
something and truthfully claiming that I am using a name for something is 
less than clear (obviously a false claim would not, but if one would 
falsely claim to be using a particular name for something, one might well 
assign a name that one intends to use for some other referent).

lojbab
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