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Re: [lojban] observatives & a construal of lo'e & le'e



In a message dated 11/10/2001 5:49:39 PM Central Standard Time, a.rosta@ntlworld.com writes:


Well, yes, you can use a cmene, any cmene, to refer to the generic
Odyssey. When I said "it is important that Lojbab find a way to
refer to the generic Odyssey using "cuktrodisi"", what I meant was
"it is important that Lojbab find an _expression_ that denotes the
generic Odyssey and uses "cuktrodisi"". "la cuktrodisi" means "that
which I am calling 'cuktrodisi'/'Odyssey'", not "that which is the
generic Odyssey". Similarly, "la cinfo" means "that which I am
calling 'cinfo'/'lion'", not "the generic lion".

Why?  (or rather Why not?)  It certainly can mean that, and, indeed, {la cinfo} seems a wonderflly clear way to say that (well, not "the generic lion", as I would understand that, but "the prototype lion" as I understand And's view).  In any case, we cannot decide what any of these gadri means in isolation, since all these systems involve the interrelation of parts.  So, the crucial question would be How are {le cinfo} and {le mela cinfo} related, for example -- or, to return to the original problem (where the appropriateness of {la} is even clearer), {le cuktrodisi} and {le mela odisix}.  
It seems odd for And, perpetual rejector and re"condstruer" of list glosses to suddenly wax excessively literal on this particular reading, especially since it seems to fit so well withwith what he wants, even when read ina casually literal way.