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Re: [lojban] Re: [jboske] RE: Anything but tautologies



In a message dated 2/28/2002 9:35:30 AM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


Presumably {pabu} refers to the numeral "1" as much as {abu}
refers to the letter "A". But {abu} is used as a pronoun, so
why would {pabu} be any different?


I assume that {abu} refers to "a" and that its use as a pronoun is dependent upon that and a convention, not that it is directly a pronoun.  {pabu} referring to "1" seemed a natural generalization, though pi,er now tells us that the official way is to use a mess o' MEX, {me'o pa}.  The list explanation for {me'o} is more opaque than usual, could be read that way, I guess.  It could also be read as not applying on the ground that {pa} is not an unevaluated mathematical _expression_.  And what does {pabu} mean, then (if it is legal, as it should be)?

<>And {nobu ce'o y'ybu} should refer to the sequence "0"+"'",
>not a set at all.

I would say that concatenation is a type of {joi}, not of {ce}.
Maybe {ce'o} is the ordered version of either {joi} or {ce},
depending on context?>
{jo'i} I suppose, since string are not at all like masses -- less than they are like sets, indeed -- but {jo'i} seems to be limited to mathematical critters, not symbols, and an array is more complex tha needed here (though that a sequence is a 1-array makes a kind of sense).  And what does {ce'o} have to do with {ce} other than that they begin the same? So do {ce'a}, {cei}, {ce'i} and {ce'u} none of which connect well with sets, though {ce'e} does after a fashion.

<I won't even ask how to define {n'} in general in Lojban...>

Well, in arithmetic it is primitive, so can't be defined.  But {ny ce'o y'ybu} seems about right.  Specifying what it means would be harder.