RE: sets, masses, &c. (was: RE: [lojban] Re: [jboske] RE: Anything but tautol...

[And Rosta <arosta@uclan.ac.uk>]

Jorge:
#>1. How DO you say "apple" (as in "the bowl was full of apple") in
#>Lojban?
#
#plise marji?

My messages are getting delayed somewhere. Anyway, yesterday
I sent a response asking for a nontanru/lujvo version. 

#>2. Why do we insist on understanding lV'i gadri to refer to pure sets
#>rather than to groups/teams? What is to be gained from this?
#
#Beats me. They are not what JCB meant by "set". But if
#lo'i took over that function, what would be left for loi?

loi plise = a bowl of apple
lo'i plise = a bowl of apples

Note that "a bowl of apple" doesn't require that it be diced or pureed;
it simply deconceptualizes the individuating boundaries. But "a bowl
of apples" does require conceptualizing the individuating boundaries.
This usage change would have no implication other than to make
it possible to make the same contrast that English does.

--And.