Re: sets, masses, &c. (was: RE: [lojban] Re: [jboske] RE: Anything but tautol...

[And Rosta <arosta@uclan.ac.uk>]

>>> John Cowan <jcowan@reutershealth.com> 03/05/02 11:06pm >>>
#And Rosta wrote:
#> loi plise = a bowl of apple
#> lo'i plise = a bowl of apples
#
#The trouble with this is that "lo'i plise" means the set of
#all apples, which (even were we to say that a set can be
#contained) surely don't fit in the bowl.

Okay, that snag knocks my suggestion on the head.
 
#> Note that "a bowl of apple" doesn't require that it be diced or pureed;
#> it simply deconceptualizes the individuating boundaries. But "a bowl
#> of apples" does require conceptualizing the individuating boundaries.
#
#I agree with this reading of the English, and that "loi plise" gives
#you the former, since that is some portion of Mr. Apple. What is
#wrong with "lo plise" (some of the things which are apples) for
#"a bowl of apples"?

My earlier example was "a bowl full of apples". The apples collectively
fill the bowl but not separately.

--And.