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Re: [lojban] ce'u once again



In a message dated 3/30/2002 12:25:34 PM Central Standard Time, phma@webjockey.net writes:


On Saturday 30 March 2002 12:59, pycyn@aol.com wrote:
> le ka la fred bilma cu du'u ce'u zmadu le nu la djorj bilma le du'u ce'u
> kei rinka le nu le bilma cu roble

That says that George's symptoms are the fact that ... then the clause is
aborted with {kei} with no selbri yet, so it doesn't parse.


See corrections sent directly after original.

<> le ni la fred bilma cu zmadu le ni la djordj bilma le ni ce'u rinka le nu
> le bilma cu roble

That says that George's symptoms are the amount of causation.>

Ditto

<. {lenu la fred. bilma cu zmadu lenu la djordj. bilma kei
leka ce'u rinka leka ce'u ruble} sounds pretty clear, even though the first
ce'u is the illness and the second is Fred or George. {leni ... leni} may be
better.>

I'd say {leni} {le ni} {le ni} {le nu} (indeed, did say).  The last {le ka} is almost certainly wrong with {rinka}.  I would say that the one before was a property of events of causing, not a property of cases of illness (see first suggestion), but that is only one construal of the mess in Refgram and Lojbab's mind. Still, I'd replace that {ka} with {du'u}, to ease worries about where the {ce'u} might be hiding, if nothing else.

<If I weren't teaching about abstractions and subordinate clauses, I'd say
{lenu la fred. bilma cu blerikmau lenu la djordj. bilma}.>

And so would we all, I hope -- or something very like.