Re: [lojban] x2 of 'le'

[Ted Reed <rizen@ispwest.com>]

On Tuesday 16 April 2002 02:33, Robin Turner wrote:
> On Monday 15 April 2002 14:11, Ted Reed wrote:
> > On Sunday 14 April 2002 21:53, Ted Reed wrote:
> > > I'm not sure if something like this already exists, but I got the
> > > idea and decided to send it in.
> > >
> > > If I've learned it correctly, 'le' basically means "that/those
> > > which is/are described as ..." What it doesn't specify is who
> > > describes it as that. Take this example:
>
> I think "le" is more like "that which I call" - by definiton it is
> the speaker doing the calling, so cannot be applied to anyone else

I thought 'la' was 'that which I call'?

> (apart from anything else, you'd then need a "lo" in front of the
> whole shebang). You could perhaps use a modal, though I'm not sure
> which one would work. "cu'u" wouldn't work, since "le" refers to the
> thing, not the utterance. "du'o" might be possible, but, for example
> "le melbi ninmu du'o la ted." to me implies that Ted _knows_ that the
> thing referred to is a beautiful woman, whereas Ted's own utterance,
> "le melbi ninmu" does not imply this.
>
> robin.tr

-- rizen