Re: [lojban] So you think you're logical?

[pycyn@aol.com]

In a message dated 4/27/2002 2:08:18 PM Central Daylight Time, araizen@newmail.net writes:

> Further, the first place of {bapli} is a force (given as a {ka}, i.e. {du'u
> ce'u}!), not an event.

But the place structure was written by lojbab, who has a different idea of what
a 'ka' is. I think that we can safely say that in "normal" lojban ;-) the first
place is a 'nu' (or whatever you decide to put in 'mukti', 'rinka', etc.)

But even Lojbab's version (with which I agree when I understand it -- distinct from {du'u ce'u} in any case) doesn't cover a force. I take it you mean "usual Lojban," assuming that a significant number people have actually used {bapli} or {bai}.  The gismu list is normative and so would be followed (if possible) in normal Lojban. I'm not sure it is possible for the kinds of cases intended (which, I would say, are therefore not cases of {bapli}).