| In a message dated 9/12/2002 5:30:08 PM Central Daylight Time, a.rosta@lycos.co.uk writes: << Literalistic lujvo are good -- things like footfinger = toe, >> Note that these would not be literalistic within the meaning of the act. << Note that whereas "brode broda" has an infinitude of possible meanings, "brode zei broda" has exactly one, determinate, meaning. >> Yes, {zei} constructions are equivalent to lujvo. The point is that there is no clearcut way to figure out which meaning they have from all the possibilites of the tanru << But things like selbroda = se broda are an abomination. If I see "se broda" if have to consult the lexical entry for "broda" to see what the phrase means, but if I see "selbroda" I have to consult the lexical entry for "selbroda" -- the very fact of using the lujvo implies that the meaning is NOT "se broda". >> Hey, nice point that last one: {se broda}, after all, is not a tanru and is already a different predicate from {broda}. I would say that {selbroda} really only has a role to play as a further component in a lujvo, not as a lujvo in its own right. << Zipfean shortening is not a sufficient reason for replacing a phrase with a lujvo, since (a) phrases and lujvo aren't semantically equivalent, and (b) there is in general no mechanism available in Lojban for Zipfean shortenings (i.e. no mechanism for shortening high-frequency word strings). >> Amen. Lujvo are for new meanings, period. |